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ipaw

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I've been holding off on my purchase until a Wireless N device comes out. I am unable to run cables to my "movie room" and have just recently purchased a Wireless N router, which I'll need to stream HD content from my PC.

When can we expect a product with Wireless "N"?

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October 11, 2007 3:08 PM

Hi, ipaw...

I hear two issues in your question...

1) Does / will the digital entertainer support Wireless N?

At presen, no. I have a question off to NETGEAR asking if they plan to support it soon, and if so when. I'll get back to you.

2) I want to keep my EVA a long distance from my "movie room". What should I do?

Wireless is certainly an option. There are a couple others two... First, you could use the HD Powerline adapter to run the network signal through your power lines in the house.

As an alternative, wiring might not be as hard as you imagine. Keep in mind that cat5e, the cabling you'd use to wire, can be used for both phone and network lines (up to 1 gigabit). So, I have systematically been replacing phone line in my house with 2 cat5e lines. That way I can run a network line and up to 4 phone lines to every room. Just a thought.

Keep us posted on your progress, and I'll find out about N.

Being digitally entertained...

February 12, 2008 8:50 PM

Its been 4 months, any news on wireless-N ?

February 12, 2008 10:20 PM

There's nothing yet for the EVA8000 that I know of but you can use this setup to stream via Wireless-N:

WNHDE111 - Wireless-N Bridge

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February 21, 2008 12:25 PM

Is it possible to plug an 'N' USB card into the EVA8000 and have it function properly? I already have a router.

February 21, 2008 12:46 PM

Not at this time.....

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March 11, 2008 7:13 PM

pardizzone said: There's nothing yet for the EVA8000 that I know of but you can use this setup to stream via Wireless-N: WNHDE111 - Wireless-N Bridge

Is there an actual gain for going this route vs my "G" wireless network? Or a Powerbridge connection?

TVJazzman 

March 11, 2008 7:35 PM

You will be able to stream HD content with wireless-n bridge setup where as you may get studdering or other issues when going over a wireless-g setup. I do not have this setup myself but have read posts over on the Netgear support forums from someone that successfully uses the wireless-n bridge to stream HD content.

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March 11, 2008 8:29 PM

So, in fact it will improve throughput even though the core WAP is a "G" access point?

This sounds great, thanks for writing back so quickly and I have been following your responses to the others in the forums as a way of determining if I should purchase my EVA 8000, which I did.

 I have had some stability issues, and have yet to fully implement all it's capabilities but will get to that real soon...

 Thanks again

TVJazzman 

March 11, 2008 9:16 PM

No problem, glad to help... but the thing with the wireless-n bridge is you use 2 of them. The EVA connects to one and the other you attach to your network. It then creates a bridge between the 2 at N speeds. It is a bit exspensive with having to use 2 units though. What stability issues are you having?

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March 12, 2008 6:06 AM

Not an issue for me anymore. Got tired of waiting... bought an AppleTV! Works perfectly.

March 12, 2008 9:45 AM

pardizzone said: No problem, glad to help... but the thing with the wireless-n bridge is you use 2 of them. The EVA connects to one and the other you attach to your network. It then creates a bridge between the 2 at N speeds. It is a bit exspensive with having to use 2 units though. What stability issues are you having?
Previous to purchasing my EVA8000, I have been using a ROKU music adaptor and a Maxtor Shared Storage (NAS) with builtin media server (mediabolics). he ROku remains in my living room, the EVA for my bedroom.

All was well for internet radio and .mp3 playback before EVA.

I purchased the EVA 8000 to add in one room the option of video playback. I have not enacted or loaded any video on the NAS yet so that isn't an issue, but I now get sporadic but regular network crashes that require reboot of the Linksys Router (54GS) the cable modem (Motorola) etc.

If I listen to the EVA 8000 before going to bed, like I did last night, it's a good bet that by morning I will have to re-boot. I was thinking it might be occurring during the 300am scan so will look to turn that off but this also happens during the day.

I have monitored the network using task managers (win xp) tools and watch the network basically disappear...

Love the EVA, but it's the only new factor in all of this, updated to latest software via EVA, but not compared to what is on the website. Would assume the box calls the latest etc. Linksys and Motorola have also been very stable...

Any thoughts?

TVJazzman

March 12, 2008 1:54 PM

tvjazzman said: Previous to purchasing my EVA8000, I have been using a ROKU music adaptor and a Maxtor Shared Storage (NAS) with builtin media server (mediabolics). he ROku remains in my living room, the EVA for my bedroom. All was well for internet radio and .mp3 playback before EVA. I purchased the EVA 8000 to add in one room the option of video playback. I have not enacted or loaded any video on the NAS yet so that isn't an issue, but I now get sporadic but regular network crashes that require reboot of the Linksys Router (54GS) the cable modem (Motorola) etc. If I listen to the EVA 8000 before going to bed, like I did last night, it's a good bet that by morning I will have to re-boot. I was thinking it might be occurring during the 300am scan so will look to turn that off but this also happens during the day. I have monitored the network using task managers (win xp) tools and watch the network basically disappear... Love the EVA, but it's the only new factor in all of this, updated to latest software via EVA, but not compared to what is on the website. Would assume the box calls the latest etc. Linksys and Motorola have also been very stable... Any thoughts? TVJazzman

Well, the version of firmware that is on the Update Server (used when updating directly through EVA interface) is the same that is on the support page (v2.0.159). So you should have the latest if you updated directly through the EVA. Does network dropout happen constantly as in every day? If it does, I would try disconnecting the EVA (remove the network cable or pull the power if wireless as pressing the power button doesn't power it off, it only shuts off the Audio/Video outputs) for a day or so and see if it still happens as that will show if the EVA is causing it or something else if it still happens with it disconnected.

As for having to restart the unit after sitting over night, there could be a couple of things causing this. First is a bad file that causes the scan to hang. A way to test this is to do a manual full scan and see if it completes. If it doesn't then a file is causing it to halt. Turn on Display File Names under the Supervisor/Advanced/Media Library menu I believe (not in front of mine at the moment) to see what file it's hanging on. Another issue could be your pc is asleep when the scan is running and it can't write to the library file on the EVADATA share and it's not coming out of sleep mode at all or fast enough. I have also seen where someone was having an issue with the scan locking up and changing it from 3am to 4am fix it. I don't understand why but they claimed it resolved the issue.

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March 13, 2008 6:29 AM

pardizzone said:
tvjazzman said: Previous to purchasing my EVA8000, I have been using a ROKU music adaptor and a Maxtor Shared Storage (NAS) with builtin media server (mediabolics). he ROku remains in my living room, the EVA for my bedroom. All was well for internet radio and .mp3 playback before EVA. I purchased the EVA 8000 to add in one room the option of video playback. I have not enacted or loaded any video on the NAS yet so that isn't an issue, but I now get sporadic but regular network crashes that require reboot of the Linksys Router (54GS) the cable modem (Motorola) etc. If I listen to the EVA 8000 before going to bed, like I did last night, it's a good bet that by morning I will have to re-boot. I was thinking it might be occurring during the 300am scan so will look to turn that off but this also happens during the day. I have monitored the network using task managers (win xp) tools and watch the network basically disappear... Love the EVA, but it's the only new factor in all of this, updated to latest software via EVA, but not compared to what is on the website. Would assume the box calls the latest etc. Linksys and Motorola have also been very stable... Any thoughts? TVJazzman
Well, the version of firmware that is on the Update Server (used when updating directly through EVA interface) is the same that is on the support page (v2.0.159). So you should have the latest if you updated directly through the EVA. Does network dropout happen constantly as in every day? If it does, I would try disconnecting the EVA (remove the network cable or pull the power if wireless as pressing the power button doesn't power it off, it only shuts off the Audio/Video outputs) for a day or so and see if it still happens as that will show if the EVA is causing it or something else if it still happens with it disconnected. As for having to restart the unit after sitting over night, there could be a couple of things causing this. First is a bad file that causes the scan to hang. A way to test this is to do a manual full scan and see if it completes. If it doesn't then a file is causing it to halt. Turn on Display File Names under the Supervisor/Advanced/Media Library menu I believe (not in front of mine at the moment) to see what file it's hanging on. Another issue could be your pc is asleep when the scan is running and it can't write to the library file on the EVADATA share and it's not coming out of sleep mode at all or fast enough. I have also seen where someone was having an issue with the scan locking up and changing it from 3am to 4am fix it. I don't understand why but they claimed it resolved the issue.

I will try all the above, I got home late from work last night and tried at least changing the scan time from 3am to 4am and, I won't get too excited yet, but, EVA and Network were both there when I got up this morning. Go figure!

I will scan for bad file, but previous scans have proved problem free, but, you never know. I leave the computer on 24/7 so sleep may not be a problem but will check that too.  By the way, it is daily and sometimes multiple times during the day...

FInally will take EVA out of system this weekend and see if that helps!!

March 14, 2008 7:58 AM

tvjazzman said:
pardizzone said:
tvjazzman said: Previous to purchasing my EVA8000, I have been using a ROKU music adaptor and a Maxtor Shared Storage (NAS) with builtin media server (mediabolics). he ROku remains in my living room, the EVA for my bedroom. All was well for internet radio and .mp3 playback before EVA. I purchased the EVA 8000 to add in one room the option of video playback. I have not enacted or loaded any video on the NAS yet so that isn't an issue, but I now get sporadic but regular network crashes that require reboot of the Linksys Router (54GS) the cable modem (Motorola) etc. If I listen to the EVA 8000 before going to bed, like I did last night, it's a good bet that by morning I will have to re-boot. I was thinking it might be occurring during the 300am scan so will look to turn that off but this also happens during the day. I have monitored the network using task managers (win xp) tools and watch the network basically disappear... Love the EVA, but it's the only new factor in all of this, updated to latest software via EVA, but not compared to what is on the website. Would assume the box calls the latest etc. Linksys and Motorola have also been very stable... Any thoughts? TVJazzman
Well, the version of firmware that is on the Update Server (used when updating directly through EVA interface) is the same that is on the support page (v2.0.159). So you should have the latest if you updated directly through the EVA. Does network dropout happen constantly as in every day? If it does, I would try disconnecting the EVA (remove the network cable or pull the power if wireless as pressing the power button doesn't power it off, it only shuts off the Audio/Video outputs) for a day or so and see if it still happens as that will show if the EVA is causing it or something else if it still happens with it disconnected. As for having to restart the unit after sitting over night, there could be a couple of things causing this. First is a bad file that causes the scan to hang. A way to test this is to do a manual full scan and see if it completes. If it doesn't then a file is causing it to halt. Turn on Display File Names under the Supervisor/Advanced/Media Library menu I believe (not in front of mine at the moment) to see what file it's hanging on. Another issue could be your pc is asleep when the scan is running and it can't write to the library file on the EVADATA share and it's not coming out of sleep mode at all or fast enough. I have also seen where someone was having an issue with the scan locking up and changing it from 3am to 4am fix it. I don't understand why but they claimed it resolved the issue.
I will try all the above, I got home late from work last night and tried at least changing the scan time from 3am to 4am and, I won't get too excited yet, but, EVA and Network were both there when I got up this morning. Go figure! I will scan for bad file, but previous scans have proved problem free, but, you never know. I leave the computer on 24/7 so sleep may not be a problem but will check that too.  By the way, it is daily and sometimes multiple times during the day... FInally will take EVA out of system this weekend and see if that helps!!

Slight update:

 Second day in a row that overnight my network did not go down so that EVA was available when I woke up, Did have one failure yesterday during the day but after re-boot of router and modem (router re-boot was not enough to get network back) all was in order and working this morning.

More to come...

TVJazzman 

March 20, 2008 2:41 PM

More update:

 Instead of just taking the EVA out of the system, which I have yet to do, I have been "pinging" each item in my network to see where I might be having problems, packet loss etc.

I still have daily network crashes and need to re-boot, but so far I have noticed that the EVA is dropping packets approx every 10 minutes.

Then at some point the whole network crashes and the re-boot takes away the problem for awhile. Then the packet drops starts again. I have only monitored for 24 hours, and will monitor more this weekend.

 I am currently wireless ( G ) to the EVA but purchased the Netgear Powerline HD to see if this alleviates the problem.

 Any thoughts as to why the packet loss is occuring (it seems) only on the EVA?

 TVJazzman

March 20, 2008 4:21 PM

Are there any other wireless networks in your surrounding area (like next door neighbor) and is the EVA the only wireless device on your network? I was having an issue with my laptop (which uses wireless, my EVA is wired) suddenly losing it's connection and would have to reboot my router to get it back. I used NetStumbler to look at what was around for access points and determined a neighbor had a wireless router that he did not have running constantly and when he would turn it on it was stepping on mine (using the same channel). I noticed that after I would reboot, my router would choose a different channel and connectivity would come back. His router always seemed to use the same channel (channel 6) so I changed mine from auto to a specfic channel (channel 11) and that stopped my network dropouts. It may not be your issue but something to check.

As far as the packet loss, could be due to another AP in the area, a bad network adapter in the EVA itself or a bad router. Either way I would pull the EVA out of the mix for 24 hours and see if your network still crashes. If it does, that will rule out the EVA. If it doesn't then I would look at RMAing the EVA to get a replacement from Netgear. You can do an Advance Exchange for around $30.00 if your in the US (not sure about other regions) and they will overnight a replacement with a prepaid return label so you just box up the old one and ship it back.

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March 21, 2008 5:14 PM

pardizzone:

 I have been running Netstumbler and though there are others on the same channel, their signal strength is so low (-84dbm) as to not affect my setup(I believe) I am wiring the EVA this weekend and will report on any changes and finally will take out of system.

Will report what I find out. So hard to take the EVA out of the system as I truly enjoy when it's working conversly so frustrated when it doesn't...

Will report back after running more tests...

 thanks!

Tvjazzman 

March 23, 2008 9:30 AM

I took the EVA out of the system, network was stable for 12 hours. Then I unpacked my HDXB101 Powerline HD that I had purchased to see if this would help stabilize my problem.

Iplugged the EVA back in, network stayed stable for a bit, then hooked it up to the  HDXB101 after installing and verifying the HDXB101 was working.

For the life of me I can't get the EVA 8000 to recognize the wired network vs wireless. 

It just does not detect the HDXB101 even though my laptop in the same location detects and operates from there. Yes, I made sure to disable wireless and enable wired on my laptop to be sure apples were apples, but when plugged into the EVA it gives me a "can't find network message".

I am going to replace the EVA with another one that is coming in a few days, but want to make sure that it will work with the HDXB101, obviously it should.  

An interesting (if you can call it that) incident independent of this happened late last night. Working wirelessly, I was watching a video and a couple of times lost audio, I rewound a bit a audio restored. But, in the middle, the EVA just turned off entirely.

Powered itself off...

I unplugged the ac cord and re-plugged it and all was restored.

But, it seems like it just gave up and shut itself off, or didn't like what I was viewing...

Any thoughts about the networking issue? 

March 23, 2008 9:31 AM

And, oh yeah, I have no heat issues with the EVA, it sits on an open shelf and in a cool area... No dust venting problems etc.

March 23, 2008 10:18 AM

Do you have a DHCP reservation set for the EVA? Having a reservation for the wireless connection will cause it to not connect via wired until you remove it as they share the same mac address. I ran into that issue with mine and had to re-establish the wireless connection then delete the reservation before it would connect wired. Since then, I always set the ip manually and do not use DHCP to aquire the address.

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March 23, 2008 8:57 PM

Not sure what you mean by reservation.? I do have pick the IP address automatically for the wireless and the wired choices. From what I see the share the same IP address but have differenct MAC addresses. Would that cause a problem? How would I set the IP Address manually? How would I make the assignment on the router?

TVJazzman 

March 24, 2008 7:47 AM

A reservation would happen on the router (i.e. you reserve an IP address in the router's DHCP scope so it gives out the same IP address to a device). So if you are just getting an IP automatically and haven't set anything on your router then you don't have a reservation. Try setting the address on the wired interface manually. After you get the "Can't connect to network" message, you should get a screen where you can uncheck the get IP address automatically checkbox and set one manually. Assign a different address then what the wireless uses and make sure you fill in all the required info (IP, subnet mask, gateway and DNS1).

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March 24, 2008 8:42 AM

Got it, thank you... Will try that tonight!

Tvjazzman 

March 26, 2008 6:12 PM

For those keeping score, here's where I started my portion of this whole discussion:

tvjazzman said: Previous to purchasing my EVA8000, I have been using a ROKU music adaptor and a Maxtor Shared Storage (NAS) with builtin media server (mediabolics). he ROku remains in my living room, the EVA for my bedroom. All was well for internet radio and .mp3 playback before EVA. I purchased the EVA 8000 to add in one room the option of video playback. I have not enacted or loaded any video on the NAS yet so that isn't an issue, but I now get sporadic but regular network crashes that require reboot of the Linksys Router (54GS) the cable modem (Motorola) etc. If I listen to the EVA 8000 before going to bed, like I did last night, it's a good bet that by morning I will have to re-boot. I was thinking it might be occurring during the 300am scan so will look to turn that off but this also happens during the day. I have monitored the network using task managers (win xp) tools and watch the network basically disappear... Love the EVA, but it's the only new factor in all of this, updated to latest software via EVA, but not compared to what is on the website. Would assume the box calls the latest etc. Linksys and Motorola have also been very stable... Any thoughts?

I have taken the EVA out of the mix, had a stable 12 hours, then right before replugging it in, had a crash. Then I left it in the mix, unplugged the NAS (Maxtor) and had a crash. Now with BOTH out of the equation, I have had 24 hours of up time, something not seen in weeks.

My router seems like it's doing it's job. Is there such a thing as not being strong enough to manage NAS and EVA. EVA is wired and NAS is ethernet to the router 2 feet away... I have monitored the feed into the cable modem and consistent even when failure has occured...

 Looking for a final answer to where to go with all this,

March 26, 2008 7:53 PM

Do you have the latest firmware on the router? Since you had a crash with the EVA out of the mix I would look at the router. Could be an issue with that.

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